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Election 08

Post by Lilly » 2008-03-23 20:19

最近大家对选举好象不大讨论了. 挺想听听你们的意见的. 其实我是因为Jun的argument才成为忠实的Hillary fan. :oops: :admir001:
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Post by Knowing » 2008-03-23 20:45

Jun 最近感冒,身体不好。 :chicken001:
我呢,觉的自己已经从支持者升级到粉丝,说出话来没什么意思,跟玉米似的,就省省不那什么大家了。
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Post by Jun » 2008-03-23 21:07

嗯,最近被一个非常nasty 的病毒打倒了。公司部门里从上到下一半人都病倒。

另外在看花样滑冰世锦赛,正好帮我忘记选举的事儿。

引一个今天偶然瞄到的Washington Post文章,颇有几处让我同意的地方。

Okay, Barack. Now Show 'Em Your White Side.

By Bomani Armah
Sunday, March 23, 2008; B01

So it's official. Sen. Barack Obama is black enough. Now it's time for him to switch gears. Okay, maybe not Obama himself -- he does a good job of appearing to be above the political and racial fray, as his speech last week proved again -- but his supporters. They need to start pushing the idea of how white he is.

Yes, that's right: Barack Obama is as white as he is black. The one-drop rule is not a genetic law or a social fact; it is a construct of this country's racist imagination. For Pete's sake, he's a distant cousin of Dick Cheney's. We need to start stressing the idea that his universal appeal is partly due to his being white, like all the presidents before him.

I know, I know. For a while the big issue was Obama's blackness. But the King (Jesse Jackson) and the Prime Minister (Al Sharpton) of black people announced he'd passed the test. Of course, it took a gang of white people in Iowa voting for him before they felt comfortable anointing him, but it happened. All of a sudden, Bill Clinton looked less like a gumbo of James Brown, John Coltrane and Magic Johnson and more like a potluck dinner of Tom Jones, Kenny G and Larry Bird.

Black people all over the country felt liberated: Finally they could support an African American who wasn't guaranteed to lose. In fact, I personally take credit for helping Obama solidify the black vote, because every time someone asked me that asinine "Is he black enough?" question, I would quip, "What do you expect the first black president to be? A dashiki-wearing, Afro-with-a-pick, fist-waving ex-Black Panther?" Little did anyone know that Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., is a dashiki-wearing, fist-waving, might-as-well-have-been-an-ex-Black Panther (not sure, I'll call the FBI to check).

Before you knew it, the world had been introduced to the astonishing idea that some black people (okay, all black people except Armstrong Williams) believe that this country was founded on some nefarious principles and might still be involved in activities aimed at undermining the black community. Cable news pundits and radio talking heads were stunned to find out that large segments of the community think that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were merely propaganda -- grand talk that the country didn't intend to live up to but has been forced to conform to over the past few centuries because of blacks, women, the poor, non-Christians and numerous other minority groups calling them out on the promise of "all men being created equal."

Blacks do believe that this country is the greatest on Earth, but we sleep with one eye open because of the nightmares of our past.

So, now that the uncomfortable secret of Obama's blackness has finally been uncovered, it's time for him to promote his other half. Okay, I know what you're thinking:

But Bomani, we need to appeal to the historic significance of his being black, or try to make him non-racial!

Not so. In all honesty, the more I watch Obama talk and interact with people, the more I'm convinced he's a "soul brother." He walks with a rhythm, slaps skin when he shakes hands with even the most white-bread politician and speaks in a cadence that would make Rudy Ray Moore proud. Even though these attributes are part of the reason he has garnered support among important blocs of voters -- African Americans, young people, liberals, antiwar activists and the highly educated -- they will also serve to galvanize a voting bloc that hasn't had to come together before in the history of our country. That is the all-important "Aw Hell No!" voting bloc.

That's right. The "Aw Hell No!" political bloc has lain dormant for 200 years, waiting for a moment to flex its political muscle. Don't forget that this country is more than 60 percent white and that less than half the population votes. This means that a lot of white people could care less about the political process. They believe that national politics are really out of their reach and that it's not worth taking time off from work to participate. As long as the federal government stays within some superficial norms, they aren't worried about who does what in November. That is, until a black man (and to be honest, a woman) got a real chance to become president.

This attack on the laws of the universe is destined to cause a spike in participation by these once-apathetic voters. This is a group that includes young and old and has members in both rural areas and urban communities. "AHN" members are comfortable with their lives and just aren't ready for such a dramatic change in the White House. I wouldn't even be surprised if some members of this bloc have spoken glowingly of Obama -- maybe even attended his rallies. They may not realize that they're members of this group until the curtain is closed behind them in the voting booth.

This is why I say, play up Obama's white heritage as much as possible. He needs to start posing with his mother's family a lot more, not the United Nations crew of brothers and cousins he's normally seen running with. Staffers need to start snapping as many pictures as possible of him putting mayonnaise on his sandwiches and shaking hands straight up and down (no more low-fives that evolve into a shake with that pat on the back). He should also be banned from speaking at any kind of Baptist church (not just the United Church of Christ) and should just stick to churches that only use a pipe organ and where folks sing their songs solemnly and straight from a hymnal.

He should be given diction lessons so he stops cutting off his y's (no more "li-ber-teh" and "e-kwa-li-teh"). And for heaven's sake, when he's campaigning this summer, no rallies on the "south side" of any city. (Is there some cute, Anglo-sounding nickname that we can use as short for Barack? I'm open to suggestions. Hey, I've got it -- Barry!)

Okay, I hear you again:

But Bomani, playing into racial stereotypes has to be counterproductive! And having him fake anything takes away from the realness that gives him such broad appeal!

Look, Obama's amazing background and upbringing allow him to play any role in our tragicomedy of black vs. white thoroughly and authentically. After he wins the presidential election, I will personally show up on Pennsylvania Avenue during his inaugural procession, wearing the African flag colors of red, black and green, with the rap group Public Enemy (pre-Flavor Flav's "Flavor of Love"), screaming at the top of my lungs like a teenager running behind Muhammad Ali in Zaire: "Barack, bomaye! Barack, bomaye!"

Until then, I am not taking any more chances acknowledging him as a black man.

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Bomani Armah is a Washington poet, hip-hop artist, satirist and educator.
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-03-23 21:12

不知道为什么第一反应以为是说台湾. :oops:
今天我认识一台湾人给他认识的所有人都发了热情洋溢的email. 我都给感动了. 哎很虚荣地想当初小马哥访问的照片也不知道在哪里. 难怪以前一个深绿的台湾同事愤愤地说女人投票就是光看摔锅.

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Post by Knowing » 2008-03-26 10:45

小马哥长的有点面乎乎的,棱角不够坚定分明,不太对我的胃口。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-03-26 10:48

政治家嘛,有小马哥给你看已经是福利了。我觉得 Obama 没小马哥好看。

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Post by Knowing » 2008-03-26 10:52

当然是OBAMA 好看。浓眉,长脸,长的就一脸正气凛然坚定不移。我很粉丝的说。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-03-26 10:58

我觉得 BO 长得像即将变成坏人的好人。

小马哥像老奸巨滑的好人,就是脱得太多了点,不好。

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Post by Jun » 2008-03-26 11:07

我觉得 BO 长得像即将变成坏人的好人。
Exactly. Although it has nothing to do with looks.
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-03-26 11:26

我觉得 obama 长得一副薄福相。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-03-26 11:28

我粉丝的反抗:你们这么说有什么科学依据?
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Post by simonsun » 2008-03-26 11:29

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Post by Jun » 2008-03-26 11:41

Is that Hillary? :love007:
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-03-26 11:48

我都想发玉米贴了, Hilary 最近越来越好看了。

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Post by tiffany » 2008-03-26 12:36

小马哥长了个老太太样儿,我奋不顾身的跳出来说;哦把马的样貌真的刻薄寡福,我打一抢就跑的说。
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-03-26 12:45

OBAMA脸上没肉.
马英久真人比镜头上好看, 风度更好. 不过那也是才选上市长的时候了. 他太太长的比较苦相.

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Post by Jun » 2008-03-26 12:46

马英久真人比镜头上好看
You saw him in real life?

I think Obama is handsome in a generally way. And you all know how I feel about good-looking people, especially those without a belly.
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-03-26 12:50

还有合影呢. 他来访问, 当时只有小猫三两只,都是看摔锅去的. 讲了啥我都忘记了. 滴水不漏的. 每见一个人他都要问是哪里人, 结果都是大陆同学.

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Post by Jun » 2008-03-26 12:57

Wah. I've never seen any political celebrity. I had two chances in the past year: Bill Clinton in Virginia and Obama in Boston. Both narrowly missed and only heard about afterward.
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Post by tiffany » 2008-03-26 13:01

哎,我看见过活的chuck shumer,本地政治家。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-03-26 13:16

我见过JIMMY CARTER。
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Post by Elysees » 2008-03-26 13:25

Jun wrote:Wah. I've never seen any political celebrity. I had two chances in the past year: Bill Clinton in Virginia and Obama in Boston. Both narrowly missed and only heard about afterward.
传说如果你早上在mall一带逛逛,时常能碰上不少政治名人遛狗。
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Post by 幻儿 » 2008-03-26 22:30

豪情 wrote:难怪以前一个深绿的台湾同事愤愤地说女人投票就是光看摔锅.
今天跟同学说起性别歧视的问题.他说为什么女人现在还总是抱怨歧视呢?你们人数比男人多,都可以投票,对政策法规有什么不满的都可以通过political process来解决啊,而且女人投票也不比男人少,怎么不见更多有利于女性的法案出台呢?敢情女人一厢情愿的选帅哥,人家上台之后就不理女人了. :lol:

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Post by Knowing » 2008-03-31 12:13

周末的新闻里尽是呼吁HRC退出的,连我都看不下去了。首先俩人其实只差4%而已,分分种可能出现意外情况改变局面。其次HRC 是会听大家说撤就撤的人吗?这种呼吁根本不是讲给她听而是造舆论压力,希望弄的大家不捐钱了逼她经费跟不上退出。最后,人家这几个州好不容易论到一回说话算数的年头容易嘛?怎么就不准人也获得点注意力呢。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-03-31 12:49

我早就受不了了。我不明白这个舆论基调是谁定的,目的是什么。如果民主党想的完全是如何把自己党内竞争对手搞下去,我瞧着难怪他们成不了什么大气候。

周末看了一个旧电影。92年拍的 Malcolm X 传记片。推荐。从前我不知道, 黑人自己还分 house slave, 和 field slave 出身。60年代,最穷的黑人里有很多穆斯林。由年轻的单泽尔华盛顿主演。但我个人观点 Malcolm X 本人长得比单则而漂亮许多。一幅相由心生常年思考的样子。虽然他属于黑人极端主义,但如果他要是活着我估计会像玉米一样崇拜.
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Post by Jun » 2008-03-31 13:00

Malcolm X was extremely smart, well spoken, and radical. White people were scared sh*tless by him. Compared with Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan is a worm. He was radical, but his argument sounded so logical and sharp and persuasive. That is why he was so feared.

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-03-31 13:09

我觉得他去麦加之后已经不是一个种族论者了。或者说超越了种族论。而且他的语言论调感觉不是听别人灌输来的,而是站在自己的出身立场慢慢思考得来,因此显得尤其珍贵。电影由黑人导演 Spike Lee 执导,可以说了解这中间枝枝杈杈的恩恩怨怨。我感觉最怕 Malcolm X 的不是白人,是 Louis Farrakhan 派别的黑人。本是同根生,互相最清楚对方是谁,怎么想。反之,Malcolm X 自己也最清楚 Louis Farrakhan 。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-03-31 13:15

我有个问题,奥巴马所在的教堂作为全美最大的黑人教会,跟这些 60 年代的派别是怎样的渊源?
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Post by Jun » 2008-03-31 13:28

No idea, but there must be a lot of connections. Mainstream America has pretty much been blind to what's going on in black communities for the past three decades. I haven't studied on this much either.

Many of the civil rights leaders from the 60s have carried on the cause as well as the internal conflicts in that period. They have formed an "older" generation of black movement that were increasingly marginalized since the Reagan era. Jesse Jackson was the heir apparent to MLK for a while, and he had inherited a more conciliatory posture toward whites. Others have been alligned with more radical origins. Farrakhan has been on the extreme end but has also become irrelevant since the late 90s. Al Sharpton, etc. are all part of this older generation of civil rights leadership that looks more and more outdated.

The newer generation of black leaders seem to have broken away from the trend and taken a rather sharp turn in recent decade. They seem to be less agitators and more politicians working within the system. A lot of people probably don't remember by now, but early in Hillary Clinton's campaign Bill Clinton got a lot of his black pals to come out and endorse her --- most of whom are indeed from the older generation of civil rights movement. It backfired so her campaigned dropped them and began to focus on white voters instead.

I saw this story on NPR's Web site. Haven't listened to it yet, but may be informative.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=89051115
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Post by Jun » 2008-04-07 19:04

受到笑嘻嘻的煽动,我把Malcolm X DVD 租来看了。感觉有点失望。不知道是材料太多安排不开,还是因为编导原意就是拍给熟悉历史的黑人观众看的,很多地方尤其是大环境和背景没讲清楚,只是通过很少一些记录片的片段意思意思就完了。对民权运动的来龙去脉和当时社会状况和激烈矛盾不知道的人看了肯定很迷糊,我虽然有少少了解,但是对Nation of Islam 的内部政治斗争和几派黑人运动领袖的矛盾---从MLK 的主和派到Black Panthers 的主战派,风起云涌各说各的,而且有白人左派知识分子和右派保守和官方势力的掺和,很复杂的。Spike Lee 基本上可以说是没讲清楚。我是没看明白为什么他们要刺杀 Malcolm X。Law and Order 早期有一集,不,两集,明显地影射过Nation of Islam里面的派系斗争。

不过CIA和FBI背后有一定的参与是毫无疑问的,那是J. Edgar Hoover 的时代,他把所有的人都窃听监视了。Spike Lee 没有走Oliver Stone 的道路,沉湎在阴谋理论中,倒是明智的选择。自从拍了这部片子以后,Spike Lee 就被大多数主流观点归为捣乱分子之类。其实我倒觉得他采取的是不加置评的手法,而未必是赞同Malcolm X 的所有的立场,尤其是早期的立场。每个生长在美国的黑人都能至少理解 Malcolm X 说的话,包括一些非常不好听的话---即使偏激仍然事出有因。但是如果你把同样的话那给白人听,尤其是60年代以后的白人,他们几乎全会认为这些是极端反白人的种族主义的言论。

片子拍得非常美,摄影是Spike Lee 的老盆友Ernie Dickerson 一贯的精致和鲜艳,就不用说了(可惜他跑去做导演就没再跟Spike Lee 合作了)。音乐也是Spike Lee 一贯的棒,不逊于Tarantino。

我觉得Spike Lee 写剧本擅长小人物街坊邻里的日常生活,以小见大,微妙的感慨,普通人的心情,不适合这么庞大的历史题材,有点力不从心。最前面讲 Malcolm Little 在波士顿街坊里当小混混的部分就特别生动,后面特严肃的部分就比较刻板,人物缺少了活力和psychological insight, 主角配角的心理刻画都很囫囵平板。最精彩的只剩下照抄历史书的Malcolm X 自己的演讲稿子。Denzel Washington 是很厉害的,能把原先 Malcolm X 那么强烈煽动性的演讲模仿到这个程度很不容易了。

不过,看了DVD 上关于Malcolm X 的纪录片,actual footage,感觉他本人的气质跟Washington 很不同,影片里表现的还是不够。叹口气。

(暗杀MLK 的历史公案其实也很暧昧,即使是严肃的历史学家也不能完全排除政府背后安排的阴谋论。)
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Post by tiffany » 2008-06-03 11:32

我很悲伤的说貌似希腊里要退出了。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-06-03 11:38

是这样子。不然小克也不会气急败坏胡说八道的。。。这家伙真TMD是个LIABILITY :mad2:
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-06-03 11:38

报上还说Obama打算和她“和解”,未来邀请她进政府。我怀着满心希望往下看――卫生部长……还是挺有幽默感的撒。

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Post by Jun » 2008-06-03 11:45

She has lost. She has not quit. Today is the end of the primaries.
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Post by tiffany » 2008-06-03 11:46

恩,今天早晨npr说伊的日程是空的⋯⋯
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Post by Knowing » 2008-06-03 12:24

我也想让HRC 当卫生部长。这有什么幽默的。她最关心的是医疗保险改革。副总统没实权不容易出成果。
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Post by Jun » 2008-06-03 12:34

Senate Majority Leader!

Shaking my head here... Hillary has missed the best time to negotiate with Obama and other Democratic party leaders to take the most advantage of the situation. Now it's too late.
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Post by Knowing » 2008-06-03 12:39

Although it was not out of character for her to miss the chance to negotiate -- best time was when she still had a realistic chance of winning the nomination, but as long as there was she would not have gvien up...
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-06-03 12:41

感觉有点怪怪的,像是把她彻底挤出局的一种手腕,不像真心的邀请。不过还没正式表示呢,这都是小道消息吧?

副总统也未必没实权,比如说现在的副总统。不过我还是不切实际的喜欢Jun propose的那个职位,让他们两个继续斗下去一定很有劲, 所以Obama死也不会给Hilary那个位置的。 :mrgreen:

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Post by 豪情 » 2008-06-03 13:07

Senate Majority Leader不是由OBAMA说了算的吧. 不过党内大老也恨两个克林顿.

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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-06-03 13:15

是这样啊。

总之这事黄的可能性貌似比较大,我已经准备好2012年再见了。

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Post by Knowing » 2008-06-03 13:22

2012年奥巴马会连任的!
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Post by Jun » 2008-06-03 13:24

豪情 wrote:Senate Majority Leader不是由OBAMA说了算的吧. 不过党内大老也恨两个克林顿.
当然是Howard Dean 和 Harry Reed 这些人在拿主意,Obama 现在还没这个地位。但是,当她还有bargaining power 的时候,没有下狠力去要挟他们,现在恐怕手中没有牌了。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-06-03 13:25

也搞不好2012年他俩在预选阶段再斗一场……也不坏,这样一定能学会精诚团结的。 :mrgreen:

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Post by Jun » 2008-06-03 13:28

小K 同学又在做梦了。Obama 能不能选上还不一定呢。其实要搞倒他也很容易,我这个阴谋论者说。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-06-03 13:31

选不上就算了,让蓝领儿白男们自作自受吃苦去吧,管我P事。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-06-03 13:35

其实要搞倒他也很容易
愿闻其详。

这两天真是乱糟糟的,大嘴巴牧师也被解雇了。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-06-03 14:30

我现在对民主党搞医疗非常不信任。同样的一般性检查,我在德州做多很多样都一分不收,到加州要花好几百。还这不行那不行,还要跑好几个地方。保险里条条框框特别多。还规定多少年才能做一次。难怪我一个做医疗研究的亲戚讲,从医疗保险上算,我原来住的地方是最适合退休的地方。小情觉得6、7万可能不够,我看说不定在德州就真够了。
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-06-03 14:36

华州医疗在美国也偏贵, 虽然根据阿登的内幕消息比加州还是好得多. 那德州肯定很好. 我就指望以后坐VICTORIA CLIPPER去加拿大买药打针了.

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-06-03 14:47

而且我觉得加州的人均医生和医院数量都少。
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