[读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

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[读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by CAVA » 2010-03-12 3:34

Scots

在威尔士,一切官方标志都用两种语言写成:威尔士语和英语。体育比赛开场前,只唱威尔士语的威尔士国歌,而不是天佑女王。站台上拉出的是绿底红龙的威尔士旗,球迷摇的是国花黄水仙。威尔士人对自己的传统很自豪。

苏格兰人对自己的传统也很自豪,可是尽管有人要闹独立,大家对苏格兰语的爱护程度不及威尔士人。

Alexander McCall Smith新写了本儿童文学,2010年只出版苏格兰语的译本。第一次听说有Scots这种语言,当然也即时领会了AMS的用意:

"Language is one of our great treasures. It is a great pity in my view that some languages are dying out, because that means that the richness and the variety of human life are diminished. Every language has something to offer - a way of looking at the world, a story to tell about a particular group of people, a stock of poetry and song. The disappearance of a language is like the silencing of some lovely bird."

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格恩西文学及洋芋皮派协会

英格兰岛和法国诺曼底之间,英吉利海峡中的一系列小岛,被称为海峡群岛,分为Jersey(泽西)和Guernsey(格恩西)两个行政区,它们虽属英国海外领土,其实离欧洲大陆还更近些。海峡群岛居民后裔的姓氏多有听上去象法国名字的,比如大提琴家Jacqueline du Pré。

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二战期间,格恩西群岛因其冲要战略位置被德军占领,直到1945年光复才与英国大陆恢复通讯。德占前大批妇女儿童被疏散到英国本土,被占期间岛民忍受音讯隔绝、家人分离的精神痛苦和物质的极度匮乏,目睹欧陆遣送过来的苦力不堪折磨枯萎死去,同伴被送往各个集中营后从前再无音讯。

这就是《格恩西岛文学及洋芋皮派协会》的背景。然而整本小说的调子并不苦涩,侧重点完全在见证过历史上各种政治势力的你争我夺、此涨彼消,以渔牧为生、自然为友的岛民如何珍视互相扶持、朴实坚忍的传统,坚持到德军撤退的那一天。格恩西岛文学协会的创建,纯属瞒着德军进行烤猪肉聚会引出的偶然;由此派生的洋芋皮派协会称号,则源于连洋山芋供应也无法保证的生存状态 -- 洋芋皮被拉郎配当作了甜品的主料。作为主要通信人的Juliet本人也是作家,她的文学生涯、感情生活是小说的另一条主线,通过与出版社编辑、亲密朋友的信件往来娓娓表叙出来。

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小说读到将近结局时,基本可以肯定这是富有说故事才华的业余作者的首本作品:饱含了生长于美国的作者对格恩西群岛民俗和历史的热爱,对经典文学作品自觉不自觉的描摩(尤其《查令十字街八十四号》),还有爱书人对书籍、读书协会、写作协会的热情。

在机场书店初初拿起这本书一翻,发现全是书信体,我还疑惑这本小说有媒体描述的那么有魅力吗?事实证明我的疑惑完全多余,《格恩西岛文学及洋芋皮派协会》充满了生动活泼的故事,以轻盈俏皮的文字描述岛民以不变应万变,自重自信的沉着心态。习作者常见的情节散漫毛病,女性作家难免的角色代入偶尔浮出表面,都无损于《格恩西岛文学及洋芋皮派协会》的魅力。

可惜作者在本书决定出版不久后即患病去世,最后定稿由作者的侄女完成。

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Knowing » 2010-03-12 5:23

我刚在困惑的想海峡群岛是什么,谢谢cava
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by CAVA » 2010-03-12 5:39

Channel Islands经常跟offshore banking联系在一起的。在英国Amazon买书买DVD,十有八九从Jersey发货,原因是什么我还没有深究过。除了Finance,Jersey出名的有土豆,Guernsey的奶油质量很好。

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Knowing » 2010-03-12 6:01

Channel Islands经常跟offshore banking联系在一起的
我又困惑了,为什么,难道英国税法不应用于那里?
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by CAVA » 2010-03-12 6:13

好象它们是英国的crown dependencies(宗主权属?),但不算UK的一部分,有自己独立的政权和金融体系。具体我也不太清楚,小K问你的同行然后来告诉我们吧。 :-D

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Knowing » 2010-03-12 6:35

我又学习了一下你的图,看来它们的确不属于UK,只是女王的私人财产。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by tiffany » 2010-03-12 10:23

威尔仕跟苏格兰有啥关系?我越研读地图越糊涂的问。
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Post by Knowing » 2010-03-12 10:25

威尔仕跟苏格兰是并列的。查尔斯的称号就是威尔士王子。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by tiffany » 2010-03-12 10:28

那威尔仕跟不列颠有啥关系?我更加糊涂的问。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Knowing » 2010-03-12 10:33

Great Britain,或GB,包括三个nation,即苏格兰,威尔士,英格兰
现炒现卖的说,我觉得关键吧,你脑子里把 U.K.great britian, England 都当一个, 其实他们是包含关系
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by CAVA » 2010-03-12 11:42

每个土产的英国人有两重身份:English and British, 或Welsh and British,或Scottish and British,或Irish (North) and British。English,除了特别English的,一般自称British;后三种反之。

如果有比赛,苏格兰人宁可支持法国也不支持英格兰。要知道老式英国人对法国很看不惯的,蔑称其为the frogs。当然法国人把英国人叫作les rosbifs (the roast beefs)也没有多政治正确。

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Knowing » 2010-03-12 11:45

就象汉族人一般把自己叫中国人,但是少数民族把自己叫xx族人。听到过有人抱怨进美国海关填那里来,他填了GB,被美国海关人员打回去重填,叫他写UK。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by 豪情 » 2010-03-12 12:59

SCOTT和WELSH的民族/国家认同和中国的少数民族差距还是很大.大概类似于秦朝时候各国人吧.
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by CAVA » 2010-03-12 17:50

呵呵,豪情这一说想起来有项比赛叫Six Nations,听起来的确有点象三国、六朝,还有电影名儿Seven Swords。其实是英式橄榄球赛,联合王国的四个,加法国和意大利。

略回到一下主题,推荐The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society,是一本feel good的好书。

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by putaopi » 2010-03-13 17:45

CAVA 又出门了?好久不见。在机场买书,和酒店里早餐,是business trip里比较享受的两件事。

这个土豆皮饼的书,题目感觉是一本正经地逗乐,我要去图书馆找来看看。早晨起来整理屋子,桌上地上到处都是书,我想要是家里人手一本Kindle,是不是就没有这种mess了呢?也不需要书柜这种家具了,多好。

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Jun » 2010-03-13 18:43

我也在考虑买 Kindle。最近连续两次出差都发生一本书不够看的现象,害得我狗急跳墙在当地书店随便抓一本应付下半截旅途。(难道是我的读书速度在过去几个月里突然加剧了?还是正好带了两本特别好看的书? :headscratch:
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2010-03-14 1:30

我最近也在考虑 Kindle,在朋友家看到 kindle 的 E ink 感觉真舒服,听说国内的boox 能看所有文件格式,更好。犹豫的是这个东西应该还有的发展吧,过两年会出彩屏吧?
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by CAVA » 2010-03-14 3:49

先买了用起来,等出彩屏的再换罗,象手机一样。

我实在喜欢纸书的质感,睡前捧着读很享受。设计得好的封面看着就开心。还可以用从苏博买的漂亮的磁性书签。

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2010-03-14 15:28

我也喜欢纸书。后来开始在手机上看书也习惯了,实在方便,随时等什么的时候都能拿出来看。去年的时候听广播评论 kinkle ,评论员力挺 kinkle 所带来的新读书习惯。对于我觉得很为难的 kinkle 不能把书传出来,那更新换代的时候从前买的书不就丢了,甚至容量满了的时候也只能删从前的旧书才能买新书,这些问题,评论员说年轻一代的读书习惯也许就是按照 kinkle 而不是纸书来的,比如反驳意见说没法借朋友的书,我们真的有多少人借朋友的书读了?关于容量满了要删掉旧书才能买新书,他说并没有多少书我们真的回去又去读了。但我还是很犹豫,火星最懂这个了,也不知道到哪儿去玩了。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Jun » 2010-03-14 15:45

笑嘻嘻 wrote:比如反驳意见说没法借朋友的书,我们真的有多少人借朋友的书读了?
现在不借朋友的书,但是经常借图书馆的书。 :mrgreen:

只要能一次装四五本书就可以了。我要求很低的。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2010-03-14 15:53

你不介意把前段时间买的书删掉?我还挺介意的。那不变成了高价借书了。我有时候会忽然想起从前看的书里的某句话,就喜欢翻开那本书找到那句话看一眼。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Jun » 2010-03-14 15:54

笑嘻嘻 wrote:你不介意把前段时间买的书删掉?我还挺介意的。那不变成了高价借书了。我有时候会忽然想起从前看的书里的某句话,就喜欢翻开那本书找到那句话看一眼。
这个 file 买了以后不能 download 留在自己的 PC 上吗?以后想看再倒进去?
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Knowing » 2010-03-14 15:58

可以从图书馆借电子书。我就从纽约公立图书馆借。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2010-03-14 16:00

Jun wrote:
笑嘻嘻 wrote:你不介意把前段时间买的书删掉?我还挺介意的。那不变成了高价借书了。我有时候会忽然想起从前看的书里的某句话,就喜欢翻开那本书找到那句话看一眼。
这个 file 买了以后不能 download 留在自己的 PC 上吗?以后想看再倒进去?
好像他的意思是不行,就是不能传出。我去年听的,不知道现在的怎样。不过容量应该还是不小的,总得有个几十本小100本吧,也没那么容易就到了。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by Jun » 2010-03-14 16:04

我平时也不怎么存书的,家里也没几本。如果真的很好,想保存,我大概会买纸书。我总觉得只要读过,就是“占有”了一本书,物质占有反而感觉甚虚幻。
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Post by CAVA » 2010-03-14 16:08

四、五本太少了,至少得一百本。一半容量放自己特别喜欢的、需要重看的书,一半放新书。技术上的问题其实好解决的,我研究过有声书网站Audible,已经购买的书可以随时再下载到收听器上。那么图像书应该也可以存在library里,随时下到阅读器上。

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Post by putaopi » 2010-03-15 0:12

我也是更喜欢纸书,封面装祯开本特别的书更是可爱。不过,想想以前的CD,封面也很漂亮,现在大家不都还是慢慢地用MP3了吗?因为更方便储存携带。有一天我们这些爱hardcopy的人,会不会也全盘改成读电子书了呢? 

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Post by Knowing » 2010-05-07 16:36

这本书我听完了,觉得虽然情节有点散,不是很抓人,但是非常delightful ,充满可爱的细节,是放松的周日下午或睡前读物。喜欢读简奥丝丁的应该也会喜欢这本书。推荐一下。
前面部分非常像《查令十字街八十四号》。他们对书的热情,让我怀旧的想起书籍缺乏的少年时代,读书都是一本牵出一本,好友相互推荐,读了好书兴奋的长篇大论给笔友写信。那时候我连读书评的机会都没有。去书店用零花钱买书要掂量再三。如果有现在的无穷无尽的access, 一定会从梦里笑醒的 :mrgreen: 不过我现在读书远不如少年时勤了。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2010-05-07 16:49

真的,真的,那时候对书的感情真不一样。
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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by CAVA » 2010-05-07 17:04

我就是周日下午和睡前读书的典型,太深沉的精力不搭,兴趣也不合。这本书后来交给公司里的读书俱乐部,首先读完的女同事说非常喜欢,已经pass给下一位了。她也是爱书人,能体会书里珍惜一切读物的心情。

我现在的习惯是一本小说一本非小说交叉着读(听)。Mansfield Park听到三分之一,惊恐地发现Jane Austen说教起来好可怕,翻来覆去提醒女孩子们什么样的言行举止(其实还不是YY的美德及甜美个性)才能最终获得同样高尚男士的倾心。或者她自己已经站在道德至高点,或者当时的人对社交礼仪极端感兴趣,至少我听得很不耐烦,如果今年才开始接触Austen,大概无法培养出兴趣。还是蚕有先见之明,从来不饭她,大喜再深情款款看向李子也不管用。

小K如果还有空读小说,给你推荐Nancy Mitford的The Pursuit of Love。比较抓人的爱情小说,有点象亦舒的流金岁月,Gone with the Wind,Brideshead Revisited,Gosford Park等等,又有她自己的风格。Nancy Mitford几乎是U and Non-U英语的定义者,虽然带有蛮大的玩笑性质。

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Re: [读书]不列颠群岛:Scots和Guernsey

Post by silkworm » 2010-05-07 20:20

嗳,CAVA你说得对,我就是错过了饭JA的时机,后来再也无法产生足够的饭度。类似的还有武侠小说。后来再看,纯粹是为了扫盲。这么一说,我都疑惑了,那会儿我到底看了什么占领性强的东西,把别的都排斥了?!周末好好反省反省去。

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Post by Jun » 2010-05-07 21:08

惊恐地发现Jane Austen说教起来好可怕,翻来覆去提醒女孩子们什么样的言行举止(其实还不是YY的美德及甜美个性)才能最终获得同样高尚男士的倾心。或者她自己已经站在道德至高点
笑死了,这就是成年人读者和青少年读者的根本差别呀,错过了 impressionable 又没有阅世经历的年代,以后就迷不上了。

很巧,今天我忽然不知为什么想起《倚天屠龙记》里的小昭,惊恐地意识到她就是一个 low self-esteem 的典型,再典型不过的大典型。然后联想到金庸小说里到处都是极其 dysfunctional 的父母,简直没有一个像样的,说明了什么?当然小时候读书哪能看穿这些问题,即使隐隐觉得不对,也说不清哪里不对。
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Post by IF NOT » 2010-05-07 22:44

Jun wrote: 很巧,今天我忽然不知为什么想起《倚天屠龙记》里的小昭,惊恐地意识到她就是一个 low self-esteem 的典型,再典型不过的大典型。
小昭双儿之类哪里算真人,文艺男青年们倒真会想。
读电子书是不是比纸书更坏眼睛?最近一年我的阅读习惯改成了在线,觉得视力下降了好多。 :-(

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Post by CAVA » 2010-05-08 7:11

对了,说到delightful,再推荐一下Alexander McCall Smith的Corduroy Mansions,是他近年来出版的小说中质量最高的一部,我看了一遍书又听了一遍mp3,非常喜欢。

借用一下Waterstones书店的介绍:
Welcome to Corduroy Mansions in Pimlico: a temple of Arts and Crafts architecture, with comforting, weathered brickwork and frankly frivolous dormer windows, it is home to a delightfully eccentric cast of Londoners. In the top flat lives William, with a faithful ex-vegetarian dog named Freddie de la Hay and a freeloading son who he hopes will soon fly the nest. Four lively young women share the first-floor flat, including twinset-and-pearls Caroline from Cheltenham, Dee, vitamin addict and avid subscriber to Anti-oxidant News, and Jenny, a put-upon PA. And round the corner lives Oedipus Snark MP, possibly the world's only loathsome Lib Dem, who has succeeded in offending everyone he knows, and many others besides. But what dark revenge is being plotted by his mother, Berthea Snark, and by his girlfriend, Barbara Ragg...?
书里的人物有葡萄酒商,private food caterer,Sotherby's的艺术学生,心理咨询师等等,好多有趣的题目。有声书是Andrew Sachs朗读的,非常好。

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Post by Knowing » 2010-05-08 16:17

Corduroy Mansions 听上去很吸引,到audible.com 发现找不到,到audible.co.uk 就找到了。这是怎么回事?有声书你是从图书馆借还是从这些网站上订购?我到现在还蹭着纽约公共图书馆借有声书,不过选择不多。
我有点怕看女作家写爱情小说,特别是上流社会绅士小姐恋爱 :wink: 那些男人像纸糊的高尚人儿,离现实要多远有多远,一点不比金庸笔下的小昭双儿更不像真人。当然也许她们见到的男人真就那样,他们坏的一面留给女演员交际花,或者女佣洗衣妇之类的下等女人。 :p
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Post by Jun » 2010-05-08 16:29

自从听说过各种比小说还小说的人物八卦之后,我就相信了琼瑶金庸等等笔下人物虽然夸张但都不是瞎编的。
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Post by Knowing » 2010-05-08 16:57

他也许不瞎编,但是写的不是whole story。
当然,比如小E 的《折腾》,当小说给我看我肯定说“啊,没逻辑啊,谁这样啊,为什么要..." :mrgreen:
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Post by CAVA » 2010-05-08 17:10

Knowing wrote:Corduroy Mansions 听上去很吸引,到audible.com 发现找不到,到audible.co.uk 就找到了。这是怎么回事?有声书你是从图书馆借还是从这些网站上订购?我到现在还蹭着纽约公共图书馆借有声书,不过选择不多。
我有点怕看女作家写爱情小说,特别是上流社会绅士小姐恋爱 :wink: 那些男人像纸糊的高尚人儿,离现实要多远有多远,一点不比金庸笔下的小昭双儿更不像真人。当然也许她们见到的男人真就那样,他们坏的一面留给女演员交际花,或者女佣洗衣妇之类的下等女人。 :p
一部分图书馆借CD,一部分网上免费下载,凑合着够听,所以打算等等再加入audible.co.uk 。audible.co.uk 和audible.com的书目的确不完全一样。

Corduroy Mansions共100章,前62章这里可以下载,后38章如果直接输入http://podcast.telegraph.co.uk/Chapter_xx.mp3也可以在线听。

The Pursuit of Love里没有高尚男人。女主角Linda第一个丈夫是自私贪婪的银行家,第二任丈夫是对个人感情不感兴趣的共产主义者,最后找到的真爱是臭名昭著的花花公子。这本书一多半是Nancy Mitford的自传,书里的花花公子是她生活里的情人,戴高乐政府里的高官,欧洲出名的浪子。Nancy Mitford看穿他的为人,却舍不得离开他,还从英国搬到巴黎去住,好离他近些。

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Post by IF NOT » 2010-05-08 21:22

Knowing wrote:他也许不瞎编,但是写的不是whole story。
当然,比如小E 的《折腾》,当小说给我看我肯定说“啊,没逻辑啊,谁这样啊,为什么要..." :mrgreen:
同意knowing,生活中的“双儿”可能敢怒不敢言逐渐变成七巧,或者充满街头智慧当这是份演员工作。金庸光写他喜闻乐见的那部分,当然假的可以。
小e写的那两个人多半也有什么奇怪的道理,只不过那些阴暗扭曲的人性,常人哪有兴趣深究。

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Post by Jun » 2010-05-16 18:08

在一片敏感药的迷雾中看掉了一大半 The Pursuit of Love ,完全不对我的胃口。

唯一奇特的部分在于,明明是二十世纪二十年代,乡绅贵族家里的婚嫁规矩跟 Jane Austen 的时代差不多。
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Post by CAVA » 2010-05-17 1:26

你看到Linda在法国遇见Fabrice没?也不够粉红吗? :mrgreen:

那我起劲地看到三更半夜,你一定觉得好奇怪 :laughting015:

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Post by Jun » 2010-05-17 4:31

看到了,看到她离开 Fabrice 了。我也是很起劲地一天看完大半本。她的风格很 breezy ,下去很快。

一大早醒来淋浴,忽然意识到这本小说到底什么地方让我觉得不对劲。
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Post by CAVA » 2010-05-17 4:43

什么地方不对劲?婚嫁规矩跟 Jane Austen 的时代差不多?

规矩管规矩,离婚照样离,情人照样找。这本书带半自传性质,Uncle Matthew就是Nancy的爹,跟电影明星跑掉的指的是迷恋希特勒的Unity Mitford,我猜。动人又可怜的是Linda与Fabrice的感情,分明寄托了Nancy自己不可实现的梦想。

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Post by Jun » 2010-05-17 8:30

CAVA wrote:什么地方不对劲?
She couldn't bear to reveal her real pain. All the cheerful, satirical, ditsy front she puts up in the novel is the same as the perfect front Linda tries to put up in her marriage.

Yeah, I know, why show the reader all the blood and guts? Why not cheer them up while cheering oneself up? All I can say is that it is not my cup of tea. I am more into the down and dirty blood and guts of Catholic writers.
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Post by CAVA » 2010-05-17 8:40

Jun wrote:All I can say is that it is not my cup of tea. I am more into the down and dirty blood and guts of Catholic writers.
Nothing wrong with that :-D

These people were brought up not to display feelings in public (Soames Forsyte is an exellent example), why should she be any exception in 1945? Don't moan, don't fuss, that's their motto. One can get drugged or pissed or both, as alternative outlets. Also writing a novel with her lover loving her as much as she loves him, is perfect escapism. She could even kill him off as she chooses to... in her fictional world.

Her life can't have been all misery, she must have had some fun, being an intelligent and financially indepedent woman in her chosen 'glamourous cicles'. Perhaps she was happier with sharing one man's love than complete devotion from some other men - a personal choice.

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Post by Jun » 2010-05-17 9:25

From the moment I realized (Chapter 2?) that Linda, not Fanny, was to be the central character, I had been puzzled by the odd first-person narrative. Why did she choose such an awkward and inefficient POV to tell the story? More awkward is that it is Fanny's mother who was the Bolter, yeah?

All the time while reading it I knew something was bothering me but couldn't pin it down. Then I got it. Mitford lived her life like Linda did, but a part of her fantasized her life as Fanny. A part of her continued to identify with the values personified by Fanny (ie, her family's), which made her doubt/criticize her own life (in the back of her mind). What if? "What if I chose the life of those "normal" girls?" Hence the unspoken conflicts emerge between the lines and bothers my stomach.

This is not intended to judge her, her life, her morals, or the novel's morals. What I mean is that her conflicts prevented the novel from becoming pure escapism, and her inhibition to fully reveal her conflicts and pain prevented it from becoming great. So it is stuck somewhere in between, awkward and flighty.

Man, such is the risk of writing fiction. It is the most naked confession no matter how you try to disguise it. This is why it is so f**king hard for someone who is self-conscious and self-critical and full of inhibition to write anything worth crap. The true great artists are those who are willing to bear it ALL for us voyeurs. They give and give and give until they have nothing left in them. I feel like a soul-sucking vampire who demands every last bit of their truths.
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Post by CAVA » 2010-05-17 9:34

Could it not be that she chose to use a 'normal girl' like Fanny as narrator, to emphasise Linda's (and other future characters'), and her own indifference to conventional values? Bolter was certainly much talked about, but never excluded from their society.

照你上面的标准,恐怕称得上伟大的真正艺术家好少,图书馆里一大半的书都没人读了 :worthy: :mrgreen:

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Post by Jun » 2010-05-17 9:38

She was not indifferent. That's just my gut feeling. (Maybe I'm projecting. Maybe I'm all wrong. But I feel quite sure. I just can't explain it.)

Throughout the novel I could feel a strenuous effort to keep the distance ... from what? from the raw emotions of Linda's (ie, her own).
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Post by Jun » 2010-05-17 9:41

CAVA wrote:照你上面的标准,恐怕称得上伟大的真正艺术家好少,图书馆里一大半的书都没人读了 :worthy: :mrgreen:
I don't mean to imply that one shouldn't read anything that is not "great" (not to mention it is merely my own personal and subject demand).

Conflict-free works are good escapism.

It's just that, when I sense someone's unresolved and suppressed conflicts, it gives me indigestion. :f19: It bothers me but may not bother other readers.
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Post by CAVA » 2010-05-17 9:43

My copy of "Nancy Mitford" biography is arriving tomorrow, perhaps answers can be found there. However from what I read of the Mitford family, they were quite a long way from being conventional. But I do agree that if she could have had her own way, she would want Fabrice (Gaston Palewski) all to herself and marry happily ever after.

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