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耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by CAVA » 2010-12-27 3:47

昨晚播出了续拍ITV经典的新Upstairs Downstairs第一集,个人以为比Downton Abbey好看。BBC2009年10月宣布续拍新Upstairs Downstairs时,大众还不知道Downton Abbey是何方神圣,不过这两部剧被比来比去总是无可避免的了。

Upstairs Downstairs这部ITV经典和如今广为流传的楼上楼下这个说法,源于1970年代年轻女演员Eileen Atkinson(Cranford里的老小姐,Gosford Park里的厨娘)和Jean Marsh的共同创作,当年风靡一时。

Jean Marsh在原剧里从小女佣演到贴身女仆,在续篇里重回曾经服务过二十多年的165 Eaton Place担当管家,经验丰富,忠诚不减,也是旧剧里唯一留下来的人物。然而时代早已不同,乔治五世刚刚去世,165 Eaton Place空置多年后换了全新的主人和时髦的装修,在1936年的伦敦以廉价工资招募不到资质高的服务人员,让他们言听计从更是难上加难。

老版的Upstairs Downstairs还没观赏过,所以印象深刻的楼上楼下剧除了Julian Fellowes的两部,似乎就剩下Anthony Hopkins的The Remains of the Day了。老式大宅,乡村风景,传统剪裁的粗花呢套装,周末请客人来house party,男人打猎,女士喝茶讲八卦,楼下由忠心耿耿的男管家带领着仆从如云,这些当然可以拍得很好看,只是Upstairs Downstairs把观众带到了一个更加闪亮的新天地。

风流倜倘的主人夫妇刚从华盛顿被派回国,女主人是没落贵族家的女儿,美貌有野心,男主人出身外交官世家,他们关心的除了仕途发达就是两人的小世界,没有传统乡绅贵族的经济和思想包袱。Eaton Place位于伦敦头等富贵地区Belgravia,其社交圈子时髦而充满政治意味,新王爱德华八世的情妇(辛普森太太)和幼弟是鸡尾酒会的座上宾,Lady Agnes需要操心的不是嫁女儿,而是如何把亲纳粹的德国客人礼貌地请出客厅。

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楼下工作人员不再来自清一色的服务人员世家或附近乡村。主人需要亲自到佣工介绍所去委托招人,特别强调厨师一定要极出色才能适应社交派对的最高要求。男管家来自豪华邮轮(正是二、三十年代的时髦玩意儿),小女仆最爱模仿西区歌舞剧里的人物,老太太的秘书是彬彬有礼的印度人。他们虽也不免势利,但早已不象爱德华时代的佣工那样愿意一辈子服务于一个家庭,将主人家当神一样贡奉,他们对薪酬和工作环境有要求,可跳槽的机会多得多。

由此,楼上楼下的关系不如Gosford Park里那样等级森严僵硬拘谨,再加上房子小人也少,抬头不见低头见,互相之间较为亲密,略有些象聪明面孔笨肚肠Bertie Wooster之于万能管家Jeeves。当然Jeeves和Wooster这对活宝之间更象朋友,在三十年代的社会属于超现实现象。

除了主仆之间的新关系和三十年代华丽都市风,新Upstairs Downstairs最大的看点无疑是Eileen Atkinson!瘦弱矮小的老太太气场非凡,且不是Maggie Smith在Gosford和Downton里那种睥睨下尘、凌驾于众人之上的气势。Lady Maud随外交官丈夫走南闯北,阅历广博,平时懒洋洋半倚在美人榻上口述回忆录,一旦出了门,初见面就与辛普森太太套上交情。与儿媳相处的手段颇为高超,不仅慷慨大方地赠于大批珠宝,还愿意教导她刚从乡下出来的小妹妹,跟管家太太也随时能谈得来。台词之句句珠玑倒是和Maggie Smith一路的,Lady Maud给辛普森太太(下图)的辣评是:relentlessly well-dressed。

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剧中还有不少熟面孔如Matthew Macfadyen太太Keeley Hawes和Little Dorrit的主角Claire Foy。

强烈期待第二、三集,以及2011年开拍的续集中。
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by Jun » 2010-12-27 8:52

嗯,一眼就认出 Keeley Hawes鸟。
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Post by CAVA » 2010-12-27 9:00

刚查了下PBS网站,这部要到四月份才在美国播出,不过国内网上已经有了。另外我提过两次的Macfadyen同学的Any Human Heart PBS排在2月份播。

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Post by Jun » 2010-12-27 9:41

Mrs. Simpson herself was quite pro-Nazi. This was part of the reason why Churchill worked so hard to get rid of Edward VIII.
特别强调厨师一定要极出色才能适应社交派对的最高要求
It is still British cooking we are talking about ... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by CAVA » 2010-12-27 10:08

This household is not quite like that, they serve marron souffles for pudding and duxelles milles-feuilles as canapes :mrgreen:
Jun wrote:Mrs. Simpson herself was quite pro-Nazi. This was part of the reason why Churchill worked so hard to get rid of Edward VIII.
Yes. In this first episode, Mrs Simpson has a lover who is Hitler's special ambassador to Britain. And in "Any Human Heart", Logan Mountstuart is sent by Ian Fleming to "watch" the Duke and Duchess of Windsor during WWII.

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Post by Jun » 2010-12-27 10:24

CAVA wrote:This household is not quite like that, they serve marron souffles for pudding and duxelles milles-feuilles as canapes :mrgreen:
That would be a bit anachronistic, unless the chef they hired was French. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Yes. In this first episode, Mrs Simpson has a lover who is Hitler's special ambassador to Britain. And in "Any Human Heart", Logan Mountstuart is sent by Ian Fleming to "watch" the Duke and Duchess of Windsor during WWII.
Fleming ... :bowling: Why not Kim Philby ... Hahahaha. That's a good one.

The new series would be interesting if they continue with this history-disguised-as-domestic-drama approach.
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Post by CAVA » 2010-12-27 10:30

William Boyd who wrote "Any Human Heart" obviously wants to have fun planting famous 20th century writers into his novel, ranging from James Joyce to Ernest Hemingway, so we have Ian Fleming instead of Kim Philby.

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Post by Jun » 2010-12-27 10:35

Hmm... Maybe I should consider reading that novel. :frog:
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Post by CAVA » 2010-12-27 10:37

It's hugely entertaining and moving at times, maybe the best book I read last year.

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Post by Jun » 2010-12-27 10:44

CAVA wrote:It's hugely entertaining and moving at times, maybe the best book I read last year.
All right I am convinced. The Kindle version is <$10. :mrgreen:
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Post by CAVA » 2010-12-27 16:14

第二集太好看了!戏剧情感冲突不断,社会历史的大事件从楼上楼下众人的生活点滴里反映出来,人物的价值观和性格逐渐鲜明。几条故事线互相依托渐次发展,最后完美地汇总为一体,不愧为Cranford的编剧。这部戏被赋予了一定的深度,使它有望脱离纯糖水娱乐剧的范畴。

两个maid之间的戏颇为感人。印度秘书大叔在本集里大放光芒 :mrgreen:
Jun wrote:The new series would be interesting if they continue with this history-disguised-as-domestic-drama approach.
Exactly. We see clashes around British Facists in the house, and not long after Edward VIII will face abdication. Great opportunites for characters to assert their values and personalities.

第三集有点温情脉脉起来,大概为了配合过节的气氛。Lady Agnes生孩子一场简直神来之笔,摄影名师Cecil Beaton的客串也好看。

小报媒体已经开始下结论,说新UpDown (Upstairs Downstairs)不及Downton Abbey,理由:Downton平均收视率8.7 million,UpDown才7.0。好奇去查了Sherlock的平均收视率,7.1不到。照我说呢,Sherlock好过UpDown和Downton数倍,UpDown投资只有Downton的2/3,全剧质量却高出一筹。Downton胜在细节精美,可惜存在情节肥皂和人物平板的硬伤。

当然UpDown里也有纸板人:楼上的男主人和楼下的厨娘,不过老夫人Lady Holland实在太精彩了。这个人物非常有趣,一心想跟儿子恢复感情又死要面子不肯承认,想对媳妇好却又忍不住干预她管家。楼上的人里,她对仆人们最照顾。有个小片段意味深长,很说明编剧的水平。Lady Agnes自己没孩子,一向把小妹当女儿看;Lady Holland和儿子不亲,一部分感情寄托在宠物小猴上。早餐桌上,Lady Agnes送了妹妹一个钻石别针,眼神充满溺爱,镜头转到Lady Holland,她正怜爱地看着小猴Soloman。

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Post by putaopi » 2010-12-29 16:49

I watched one season of the earlier version,got to dig this new one out from tudou. Nothing can beat a period drama with a cup of hot tea in this cold and wintry weather. Thank Cava, you always recommend things I need the most.

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Post by Jun » 2010-12-29 17:51

Downton平均收视率8.7 million,UpDown才7.0。好奇去查了Sherlock的平均收视率,7.1不到。

Downton胜在细节精美,可惜存在情节肥皂和人物平板的硬伤。
也许大众就是喜欢肥皂的情节和平板的人物呢。 :bowling:
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Post by CAVA » 2010-12-30 4:21

putaopi wrote:I watched one season of the earlier version,got to dig this new one out from tudou. Nothing can beat a period drama with a cup of hot tea in this cold and wintry weather. Thank Cava, you always recommend things I need the most.
Some TV producers seem to know what we need :mrgreen:

不过这部土豆上目前还没有,可见文艺作品也讲缘分和机会,也许UpDown不一定会流传开来。我们自己静静欣赏也挺好的,象Lewis前几部一样。 :mrgreen:

传说中的旧版在Youtube有不少上传,我昨天开始看了点儿。第一集的故事几乎都在楼下发生,很多真实有趣的爱德华时代生活细节。可是除了来自苏格兰的男管家,几乎所有仆人都一口伦敦考克尼口音,难听是难听得来。据说电视重播最多次的,是第二系列里爱德华七世本人来165 Eaton Place作客的一集(Guest of Honour),女主人和厨娘商量菜单(哗好多道菜),男主人与男管家选酒,大家准备餐桌布置,倒是真好看。第一系列的第七集Magic Casement,前半段讲姐弟恋,让我大跌眼镜,七十年代拍的电视好新潮!

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Post by sweeteeth » 2011-01-02 6:01

谢谢推荐。我先去把旧版的补补课,旧版的有五季呢,这下可以过瘾了。
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Post by CAVA » 2011-01-05 6:00

新版的Youtube上刚有了第一二集,趁被删之前想看的同学赶快吧。貌似雷锋还在继续上传中。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPSw8uP_OMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8S9wX3q_GU

新闻说Downton Abbey在PBS播出时会从8小时删到6小时,因为担心美国观众嫌剧情太复杂,男主角马修出场太晚。当初Sherlock都被砍去对话,难保将来UpDown不遭受同样命运。

另外刚登陆的时候系统要求填认证码,是Techsupport引进的新功能?

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Post by Jun » 2011-01-05 11:06

该不会是BBC嫌PBS资助拍摄出钱太少,所以只给美国观众看3/4的节目?

Downton Abbey本周播放。现在的英国演员个个光鲜周正,直追好莱坞的拉皮水平。不象二三十年前出的电视剧里男主角经常满脸黄毛一口歪牙。 :mrgreen:
另外刚登陆的时候系统要求填认证码,是Techsupport引进的新功能?
这个现象我也遇到但是random出现。
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Post by CAVA » 2011-01-05 11:21

我也是random,并且今天第一次遇见。

缩短应该是PBS的主意,我猜。近年PBS上播出的那些英国剧,好些都是和英国合资,一家一半,Lewis, Downton, Any Human Heart都是。

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Post by tiffany » 2011-01-05 11:31

Jun wrote:
另外刚登陆的时候系统要求填认证码,是Techsupport引进的新功能?
这个现象我也遇到但是random出现。
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Post by joe_cool » 2011-01-05 11:56

多谢CAVA给的链接!赶紧飞奔到youtube去看,上传的版本效果很不错。上传的人真的是雷锋,造福人类!
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Post by techsupport » 2011-01-05 12:32

最近没加新功能,本来就有的吧,不过我从来没碰上过。

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Post by CAVA » 2011-01-05 12:52

那就好,还以为电脑出了毛病呢。多谢技术支持!

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Post by Knowing » 2011-01-05 16:36

哎,我又想看又怕看,上次downton abbey 一看就停不下来,好几天别的啥事不干下班就趴沙发上捧了ipad 看,太浪费生命了,最近又这么忙。。。
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Post by CAVA » 2011-01-06 2:39

这个总共才三小时 :mrgreen:

第三集:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJWcZCn3RM

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Post by Knowing » 2011-01-06 3:59

那我又嫌短,刚看上就没了,象新福而摩斯 :mrgreen:
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Post by Knowing » 2011-01-10 17:41

果然嫌短,一气儿看完了意犹未尽。真好看,说起来比downton abbey 只晚二三十年,时代气息强烈的多,难道那些年社会进步这么大?小姐闹叛逆跟司机谈恋爱,犹太佣人受主人的庇护,政治气息浓烈的多也复杂的多。喜欢这里的仆人都比较象现代人了,老太太也不光是snob 形象。最后一集温情脉脉,我看得心里很温暖啊。
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Post by 豪情 » 2011-01-10 18:00

其实不一定是时代差那么多, 更可能是选材角度不同.
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Post by Jun » 2011-01-10 19:19

昨天看了PBS版一集(大概共四集),感觉非常温吞水,抓马冲突太弱不够劲。
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Post by CAVA » 2011-01-11 1:19

Knowing wrote:老太太也不光是snob 形象。最后一集温情脉脉,我看得心里很温暖啊。
原来小K是温情派 :-D

老太太是励志派,名言:where one can't compete, one aspires :mrgreen:

Eileen Atkins与Julian Fellowes合作过好几次,她跟UpDown的编剧Heidi Thomas说:我大概知道Julian会把Downton的老太太写成什么样,你一定得把Maud写得更有趣些才好。

PBS把Downton编成四集还是有一定道理的。ITV播出的时候,减去广告,第一、七集每集一小时,中间的每集45分钟,排片不那么容易。

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Post by Knowing » 2011-01-11 4:20

那不是把他们精心安排在每集尾巴的cliff hanger 给浪费了么。我倒觉得downton abbey 长了点,起伏太多,搞的有点费劲,upstairs downstairs 三集比电影长一点刚刚好,一气呵成。
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Post by Jun » 2011-01-11 8:19

Julian Fellowes在英国编剧里真不咋样儿,不少人都比他强很多啊, Andrew Davis, Paul Abbott, Steven Moffat, ...
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Post by Knowing » 2011-01-11 8:30

不准攻击我喜爱的Julian Fellowes!把他放到美国编剧里就很牛了!
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Post by CAVA » 2011-01-11 8:32

Jun wrote:Julian Fellowes在英国编剧里真不咋样儿,不少人都比他强很多啊, Andrew Davis, Paul Abbott, Steven Moffat, ...
你干嘛故意不提Mark Gatiss? :wicked:

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Post by Jun » 2011-01-11 10:58

CAVA wrote:你干嘛故意不提Mark Gatiss? :wicked:
Because I'm in love with him? :kiss:
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by Jun » 2011-01-11 22:20

Downton Abbey 的音乐特别吵,一刻不停地指挥观众何时要感动,何时要揪心,何时要升华。
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by CAVA » 2011-01-12 4:38

我现在关心的是《楼上楼下》什么时候拍第二系列。有趣的是PBS投资了《楼上楼下》,没想到Downton抢先播出赢得大批芳心,现在PBS该支持谁好捏?

PBS与BBC合作的还有Sherlock(好眼光!),和当代侦探片Zen。Zen我看了一眼,不太能接受英国地方口音的演员演意大利人,放弃了,虽然它在罗马拍摄。Kenneth Branagh演Wallander虽然也不原汁原味,个人魅力足,够补偿的了。

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by CAVA » 2011-01-14 3:08

DVD全集终于来了,哗啦哗啦看了好几集旧版《楼上楼下》。Wow,系列一制作于1971年,论思想开放程度,戏剧冲突激烈,都超出2010年的新版。第一系列首播的时候,正值ITV技术人员罢工,所以有几集是黑白的,更不用提布景的简陋了。当时这部戏还没有引起观众注意,制作资金短缺,颇有些古怪的摄影、剪接技巧。但是,象我这么挑剔细节的人,都飞快地被淹没在人物和剧情中,看得忘记了时间。

才几集的功夫,就有女佣出走、怀孕、自杀,楼下众人趁主人家出门度假的当儿开疯狂派对,楼下的人不时以各种方式做小小反抗,而不是2010年大家想象里的低眉顺眼,最多背后搞点小动作。这才有点靠近真实嘛,70年代的编剧果然并不致力于描画五讲四美和谐家庭,甚至颇有些左派激进呢。楼下的Rose和Sarah,楼上的青春期叛逆小姐Elizabeth,个性都蛮有层次的,虽然缺点都很突出,但同时又各有吸引人的地方。尤其不安分的Sarah,在pilot那集里很被我讨厌了一番,又过了两集才明白为什么她成为观众印象最深的人物之一。

还有,当当当,弯男仆与来访的贵族男客勾勾搭搭,甚至。。。(就不剧透了)。在A Suitable Marriage(1-5)这集里,该男客也是来追求楼上小姐滴。我立刻哗了一声,难怪Jean Marsh(Rose)对Downton颇说了几句酸溜溜的话,这个肯定不是巧合罢。还有某女佣决心再也不当女佣,离开主人家的时候说:why do we have to live through them? 看熟了Gosford Park的人,不难记起里面有句台词非常接近(是Elsie?)。

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by Knowing » 2011-01-14 5:16

怪不得说gosford park downton abbey 承袭楼上楼下!
我看了king'sspeech, 很好看很好看,正好就是新楼上楼下的历史阶段:爱德华八世,辛普森夫人,她那个情人,卖车的倒霉孩子,也被提起了。
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by silkworm » 2011-01-14 11:18

最近实在太忙,没时间,不敢起头看updown,先存在to do list上吧。坏习惯地看了wiki上的剧情梗概,哇,Downton真是摹仿那个调调得厉害啊。当然还是不能太磨灭我对Julian Fellowes的偏爱哈。
新闻里看到他takes seat in House of Lords了:
http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/879160 ... _of_Lords/
cava给讲讲这个事儿的意义?

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by CAVA » 2011-01-14 12:41

蚕啊你这可真象语文老师让概括段落大意,不过咱久经锻炼,能应付得上来 :mrgreen:

其实英国的政治制度我也不大懂,只知道国会分House of Lords和House of Commons,上议院和下议院。上议院呢从前有家世的人才进得去,多为世袭,进去了也不干什么,关键决策权还在民众选出来的下议院,平时电视里看到的政治辩论也在那里。现在上议院也对外开放了 :mrgreen: ,象Peter Mandelsson和Julian Fellowes这样并没有足够贵族背景也可以被封为非世袭贵族,称Lord。

也就是说,Julian Fellowes虽然家世一直不及太太,现在总算可以因为自己的成绩被称为Lord Fellowes啦。我暗自觉得他一定蛮得意的呢。

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by silkworm » 2011-01-14 12:53

呵呵,谢谢CAVA的回答。
那这个是个荣誉称号了?
那我再关公战秦琼地问,得knightship(象Sir Michael Caine、Sir Elton John、Sir Paul McCartney、Dame Judi Dench等等)跟他这个进上议院的异同?

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by CAVA » 2011-01-14 13:04

啧啧,我们这里已经周末了耶,还要接受考试 :worthy: :mrgreen:

MBE,OBE,CBE这些其实我从来没搞清楚过,但印象中Elton John他们的是纯粹荣誉称号,并没有政治权利。荣誉称号里且有等级,不是所有人都可以称Sir, Dame的。Julian Fellowes得的Life Peer比较象是传统的贵族,理论上应该更高一级。(擦汗中)

Jane Austen的小说里经常有品位不怎么样的Sir谁谁,因为财富累计到一定程度开始关心地方福利什么的才被封爵,会被世袭的贵族瞧不起。
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by Jun » 2011-01-14 13:09

Fellowes is a Torry. Why am I not surprised?
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by miumiu » 2011-01-14 16:35

CAVA解释的已经非常好了,我就来续点貂吧。

Knight国内老派翻译成勋爵,我觉得非常合适,也可以作骑士解。现在的Knightship都是当勋章发的,不能传给后代。不过有一个例外,Baronet,也译作次男爵的,是可世袭爵位里最低的一级,习惯上也称为Sir XXX而不是Lord XXX。貌似Mrs or no it's now Lady Fellowes也是一个次男爵的女儿?

将自己政党里的成员封爵位使之入上院也是控制政策的手段的一种。Fellowes这次受封应该也是出于这个原因。虽然上院(House of Lords)在一般情况下没有太大的权利,但是(好像)如果下院(House of Common)产生争议,上院有裁决权(?)。另外理论上任何政策立法就算下院通过也必须在上院也通过才能正式实施。下院的议员必须通过公众选举才能出任,而上院议员是只要由一定的贵族地位就自动成为成员,执政党就可以通过指定君主加封爵位来增加自己在上院的势力。比较著名的例子是上届工党在位时,为了加强一些商业方面的政策,把英国版的Apprentice里的老顽童Sir Alan Sugar硬抬升为Lord Sugar而成为上院议员。工党一向被其他政党视为socialist,但是现在好几个重要幕僚都是Lord XXX,不是不讽刺的。

另外再同一下CAVA,我也觉得Lord Fellowes应该暗自得意的不行,从此出入各种country大宅更理直气壮些了。

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by Jun » 2011-01-14 17:21

那么Julian Fellowes的大儿子(如果他有的话)是不是可以继承他的爵位?
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by CAVA » 2011-01-15 12:16

Knowing wrote:我看了king'sspeech, 很好看很好看,正好就是新楼上楼下的历史阶段:爱德华八世,辛普森夫人,她那个情人,卖车的倒霉孩子,也被提起了。
The King's Speech果然非常好看,超出我的预期值。这种题材很容易写得沉闷平淡,或者廉价煽情,这部戏的编导分寸把握得很好。观众看到的乔治六世是个有血有肉的人,能分享他的挫折、恐惧、愤怒和悲伤,对他的幽默报以笑声。他的身份和尊严又被点得很清楚,充满了英国式的自制、自律、自嘲,观众绝不会把他错认为别人。这与Colin Firth的出色表演当然分不开,虽然他的年龄长相与当时的乔治六世有点距离。唯一美中不足的,爱德华八世与辛普森太太的戏有些潦草。

许多老戏骨的出场也看得我很开心。Jennifer Ehle(95傲慢偏见的Lizzy)与Colin Firth在同一个房间出现,Brideshead Revisited电视版里的Sebastian(Anthony Andrews)与Lady Marchmain(Claire Bloom)也很难得地露了面。光阴荏苒,他们都老啦。Derek Jacobi,Michael Gambon和Helena Bonham Carter相比之下打酱油的次数就多得多了。

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by Knowing » 2011-01-16 12:48

colin firth 的表演真是太出色了,完全洗脱了从前的万人迷形象,有血有肉的不得了。我这么被电影电视洗了一年脑,刚来的时候非常看不上英国人现在还抱着class 啊,贵族啊,世袭啊,王室啊的观念,觉得僵化的要死,现在都对王室产生感情了(liao3)!
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by putaopi » 2011-01-16 18:38

Kings Speech我也看了,好久不见Geoffery Rush,真是很高兴。Colin Firth演技自然是好的,不是说当初因为不肯屈就好莱坞,让Hugh Grant出了名。他们英国人对王室真是含情脉脉。Helena Boham Carter老了很多,让人唏嘘啊,《A Room with a view>里面那个永恒的少女!

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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by Jun » 2011-01-16 20:43

Knowing wrote:我这么被电影电视洗了一年脑,刚来的时候非常看不上英国人现在还抱着class 啊,贵族啊,世袭啊,王室啊的观念,觉得僵化的要死,现在都对王室产生感情了(liao3)!
看到你这句的时候,正好看到电视里 Downton Abbey 演到贵族老爷教育中产阶级的继承人不要解雇贴身男仆,因为做老爷的人对下人有责任,有责任安置和保护他们,给他们生计。 ;)

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这个演土耳其大使的男演员非常好看,可是一点不象土耳其人,而且一点没有外国口音。

这剧本写得也太扯了!一会儿跑来一个诈骗大管家的什么演员,一会儿一个健壮男青年发心脏病暴卒,什么乱七八糟的!而且东一锤子西一榔头的,也没点铺垫,尽是露一面三分钟就被踢开的各色打酱油人物。I hope Julian Fellowes is a better MP than he is a writer. He should be forced to adapt half a dozen Dickens and learn the art of long, entangled plot and character development. Hastier than 1/2-hour sit-com episodes.
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Re: 耳目一新 BBC续拍《楼上楼下》

Post by CAVA » 2011-01-17 2:11

Colin Firth一度被定了型,专被找去演各式各样的Darcy,比较难突破。现在外型不那么年轻,戏路反而宽了。

Helena Bonham Carter说早年总演英国玫瑰腻得很,近年演了好多魔幻角色还有粗糙的中年妇女形象(最新在Toast里演美食作家Nigel Slater的继母),矫枉过正了有点。

Downton也许有点想做成每集能独立成章的那种,象Doctor Who和旧版的UpDown,可它整个系列又明明有一条悬念主线(庄园和大小姐的命运),所以最后弄得有点四不象。

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