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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-18 8:40

不坐地铁,看到有趣的人和事儿的概率小很多,昨天出门儿赶上塞车---是略塞,不是高速路变趴车场那种塞,所以还有心情东看西看---一亮晶晶美国老车超过我们,如果我没看错是水星这个牌子,车屁股上贴一标语:不要布论博各!也不知道布市长如何得罪他了。然后我们赶上一辆老车,屁股上居然贴着kerry & edwards的竞选贴!我跟良人说:这人咋这么落后时代呢?良人说就是没弄下来。这辆车的屁股上倒是林林总总贴了好多标,我也看不清楚都是啥,比较打眼的是一个小小彩虹旗的标。我心说难道此人是同志么?超过去的时候使劲儿打量司机,只见貌似西皮的戴眼镜儿男,一脑袋毛茸茸的金发,好像有很大胡子,看上去怪象基督的。他的dashborad好像基督跟他的天使开会,排的满满的都是长翅膀或站或跪的小人儿像,我吧的一下儿把宗教坚果这个标签儿贴伊车屁股上了。

今天早晨上班路上,慢悠悠的开着,等红灯的时候,一辆林肯从我边儿上往前挤。我又不赶路,开车方面又全无骄傲,乃由着他往前蹭,蹭过去使劲儿往后仰着看他车牌果然是T打头儿的出租车。后窗户是深色的隐私玻璃,有只新作了指甲,涂成很漂亮的粉红色的手鸡爪状举在那里,也不知道是不是刚从指甲店出来的。

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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-18 14:52

八卦的说,你们看到john edward的老婆上欧普拉了么?
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 7:48

哎,我八卦的回,我有天回家路上听见她在NPR给她的新书做宣传来着。她的声音很好听,特温文良家妇女那种。说起the other woman,那叫一个苦涩。我的听后感就是职业政治家的老婆算得上是天下最sucky的工作。
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 8:00

哇就不是政治家的老婆碰上这事儿也sucks。
我觉得她很悲惨是因为大家都觉得政治家的老婆嘛,难道碰上这种事情还觉得奇怪嘛?不奇怪啊。有什么奇怪的嘛。
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Post by joe_cool » 2009-05-19 8:25

我也听到她上NPR宣传新书来着。没想到Michelle Norris问问题那么尖锐,不过还算厚道,她回答的避重就轻也就算了。
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 8:29

可是非政治家的老婆至少(除非自愿)不用把这么大一个疮疤血淋淋的示众,一遍又一遍。给揭发出来之前,她还帮助她老公竞选---她自己说她恳求她老公不要选了,在老公跟她坦白交代另外一个女人的情况下!后来一群感觉被她欺骗了的妇女还写信骂她,她还要解释说,虽然....但是他的政治理想是好的。 :shock: :shock:

我虽然一向认为一个人的私德和这个人的政治能力没啥大关系,听了这个,也觉得,这个家伙真不能选(要是我有选举权的话)!
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 9:00

这不都是没办法嘛。john edwards 比克林顿私德更烂么?要是回到1991年你是选克林顿还是老布什?如果去年是john edwards 和McCain /Palin 你选谁?还是选edwards 吧。幸好去年是德容言工无一不美的帅哥。。。

Elizabeth Edwards的确够倒霉,她生活里的几件大事:得癌,儿子出车祸去世,老公闹外遇。老公闹外遇实在是最轻的一件了。要是我非得挑一个,肯定毫不犹豫的挑老公闹外遇啊。
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 9:02

不过说真的,我觉得john edwards比小克私德更烂,又不如小克能干.....
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 9:05

我倒。john edwards怎么会比小克更烂呢?????小克明明是烂的不能再烂了。他没小克能干是真的。
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Post by joe_cool » 2009-05-19 9:13

John Edwards连孩子都貌似搞出来了。弄得自己老婆还要在媒体上面对“那个孩子到底是不是你老公的”这样的问题。
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 9:18

哇塞,小克那不就是莫尼卡鲁因司机那事儿吗?当时花了几个比查他家底儿,都没查出更严重的事情来,那我估计犯事儿也就是这个级别的了。不是我说,人都没有(传统意义上)真干,文学女青年的说他的肉体软弱了,灵魂还忠于着他老婆。john edwards那个连孩子都出来了!那是啥样儿的投入,彻底的背叛啊!

或者说,小克的干练程度高到让我忽视他私德问题的程度了。
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Post by Jun » 2009-05-19 9:29

Elizabeth Edwards would not have been facing these media questions now (again) if it weren't for her publishing and promoting her new book. I don't feel sorry for her being questioned at this time, because she does not feel sorry for herself, obvioiusly, or she would not have written the book and promoted it by public appearances. She is a smart woman and she knew she would be questioned about all the debacles.

Bill Clinton is worse in his insatiable appetite for women and affairs. He does it all his life, endlessly, over and over and over. He never stops. When he was Prez, his Air Force One was nicknamed Air F*** One.

But one thing he does far better than John Edwards -- he takes the crap for his own crap. Hillary Clinton never has to answer for his crap. Of course that is also because she has always allows anyone to make his behaviors or their marriage a subject of gossip. Everyone knows their marriage is about work not physical intimacy. It's open knowledge. He makes no secret of it, so it's less juicy as news.
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 9:37

长期的有Gennifer Flowers, 这是他亲口承认并请求HRC原谅,然后两人上电视表演夫妻和睦的。乱来的有PAULA JONES 告他性骚扰。莫尼卡鲁因司机的破事大家也都知道了。
Hillary Clinton never has to answer for his crap
That's not true. During 1992 presidential election, HRC and Bill put on quite a show on 60 minutes interview to deny the Flowers accusation. And it worked.
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 10:03

:shock: :shock: :shock: 我又被震撼到了,再次说职业政治家的老婆真是一个sucky的工作啊 :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 10:05

你不知道他跟Gennifer Flowers有十二年长期关系??? :shock: :shock:
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Post by joe_cool » 2009-05-19 10:09

伊丽莎白要出来宣传自己的书,当然得有心理准备回答尖锐的问题。她面对的所有问题都挺尖锐的。
但是当被问道“那个女人的孩子是不是你小孩的妹妹”的时候,我真是觉得John Edwards实在是相~当~的WS。他是trial lawyer出身的,我不相信他没有足够的能力处理这种事。
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 10:24

Knowing wrote:你不知道他跟Gennifer Flowers有十二年长期关系??? :shock: :shock:
不知道!我撇清说,我对政治和政治人物基本很不关心嗒。
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 11:41

我去年在读书节看过伊丽莎白现场谈话,还是挺同情她的。新书是讲面对自己生活中adversity的心路历程, 得癌,儿子出车祸去世,老公闹外遇,随便那件放谁身上都是挺痛苦的大事情。做采访肯定要问外遇,整个访问不管她主要谈了什么,到转载报道的时候肯定都掐掉了。大多数人都不会看整个访问。她勇敢就在于明明知道会这样,还一往直前"硬生生耙出一条路来"。

另一方面,得癌,儿子出车祸去世,老公闹外遇,这三件事很常见,肯定有很多人有相似体会,如果能从中得到共鸣,觉得"我不是唯一这么想的人",可以帮助读者释放一些负面能量,也挺有积极意义的。
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 12:39

写书过程可能也是治疗,倾诉那么多次....

这么一说,我倒是理解她对医疗保险的热情了
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Post by sogno » 2009-05-19 13:09

这个吧很多事情是很难说人的私德怎么样,竞选这种活儿本来就不是人干的,那么大的压力总要有发泄的渠道,Elizabeth Edwards自己又是在癌症恢复期,夫妻两人估计没可能有性生活。。。

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Post by silkworm » 2009-05-19 13:21

Talk of the Nation 也做了一段节目讨论这个。跟主持人对谈的那位女士气呼呼的,当时是Edwards的铁杆拥趸,现在对他们不退选很有意见。然后又出于对伊丽莎白的同情(及怒其不争也许?),一直强调她没想明白就出来写书,不明智。

我觉得她确实是没想清,不过这事儿能有全想通的时候么,再说了,她是面对着的死亡是相当现实的。也许对于一个死亡在很远处的人来说,这个人可以想清楚了再出来说话,一来有时间,二来还是会顾虑别人怎么看。而她,时间不多了,别人的看法恐怕不那么重要了。而她为这本书所面对的尖锐问题,不见得比孩子车祸自己生癌复发无治等等更尖锐。

几次她说到“那个女人跟我的生活无关”,被指出怎么可能无关,言下之意,你死了,这女人可能住进你造的房子,跟你的丈夫生活,至少她跟你丈夫的孩子和你和你丈夫的孩子是手足。她基本都回避了,可以解释为这些跟“我是谁”,也可以解释为一死百了。那么在还活着的时候,想说就说。

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Post by 火星狗 » 2009-05-19 13:32

其实,日子各人自己过。怎么办?要建议她离婚好做自强自信的妇女楷模嘛?

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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 13:39

其实我小人之心觉得她在给自己出口气。当年狄更斯埋怨他老婆如何如何不好,他老婆没法儿出声儿回应,多少年之后,广大文学青年如你我才明白原来狄更斯是个wsn!
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Post by 火星狗 » 2009-05-19 13:42

其实,就算是时间很多,别人的想法也并不重要。她的时间宝贵,大概更要先做自己想做的事情。

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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 13:50

自强自信的妇女就该为配偶搞外遇离婚吗?一定要什么都想通了才可以出来写书吗?恰恰相反,怎么处理婚姻中的问题和面对生癌丧子之痛一样,没有明确的科学的正确的答案,更多会是一个漫长的痛苦的过程。她觉得婚姻值得挽救,在一起那么久,他给她的精神支持和爱护比带来的伤害要多,学习接受不如意的现实,接受并处理情绪,是成年人不得不经过的挣扎。
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Post by silkworm » 2009-05-19 13:57

小K,她是先丧子(1996)、再生子(1998 48岁,2000 50岁),生癌是2004年。

我记得John Edwards写过,他们大儿子去世之后的一年多,他们两口子基本是depression,连饭都要朋友送来。后来决定再生孩子。

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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 14:07

叹气,看她样貌,天庭饱满地阁方圆的,怎么也不象这么苦命的人啊。

两口子在一起久了,确实你中有我我中有你,越是这样儿越觉得这种背叛伤的深呢,一拍两散跟坚持维护都不知道哪个更伤心些。当成年人真没意思。我叹。
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 14:17

得啦,也不比生癌更糟。这种事别多想,想点做成年人好的有趣儿的地方吧。
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Post by silkworm » 2009-05-19 14:19

过一天乐一天。

白金也就那么一说,过一个小时,被阿土仔炫一下笑脸儿,马上荷尔蒙一分泌,充了电了就。路上再瞅俩有趣的扭腰人儿。齐了。

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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 14:19

我挠挠头说,想不太出来..... 除了有很多血腥暴力的电影可以看,小酒可以喝喝.....
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Post by 猫咪头 » 2009-05-19 17:00

小白这一叹气,让人想起张爱玲<小艾>里头五太太。
都说她福相,也还有人说她长得很甜净。无论如何,是一点也不带薄命相,然而……却生就了很奇异的命运。

人生有时形势比人强。然后呢,一往直前"硬生生耙出一条路来"也不知对错。
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Post by 豪情 » 2009-05-19 17:03

希拉里不离婚也被人觉得是对女性解放独立的背叛呢.

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Post by Jun » 2009-05-19 17:16

Knowing wrote:
Hillary Clinton never has to answer for his crap
That's not true. During 1992 presidential election, HRC and Bill put on quite a show on 60 minutes interview to deny the Flowers accusation. And it worked.
OK, modify my previous statement to:

Hillary Clinton has never had to answer for his crap ALONE. He never shrinks from taking the main pile of the crap (as he should) and continues to actively help her (sometimes not too effectively), and she continues to want his help.

Isn't it funny and sad that Governor Greevy, Senator Craig, and candidate Edwards (and countless others including ol' Bill) always have their wives standing by them in press conferences after they are caught? With the exception of Bill, none stood by their wives. (Bob Dole is probably an exception, but he hasn't been discovered by the press as having done anything wrong.)

It may be a legitimate reaction to consider Hillary Clinton not divorcing Bill as a slap on the face of women's rights (eg, the rights of average women who are not politicians). However, it is totally logical, advantageous, and wise choice in her particular case. It's a matter of pragmatism, ambition, and power.

The choice of not divorcing Bill was precisely driven by her passion for her career and thus in line with women's rights. And it was a big success.
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Post by Knowing » 2009-05-19 20:28

Alright alright. HRC made the right decision as politician. But now that she has squeezed every ounce of political capital out of Bill -- she will be too old to run in 2020 after Obama's two terms and Biden's one term -- please live a little, be human and let other women relate to her. As a woman who looks for role model in that generation, I would love to see her having an affair with a baseball player and/or smoking hot Brazilian male model a third of her age. I want her, just for once, to outsex and outscandal Bill. If Madonna can do it, so can HRC. She has to send the right message to young girls -- cosmo girl is nothing, feminist can rocks too. :mrgreen:
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Post by tiffany » 2009-05-19 20:50

你这不是强人所难嘛?

不过你这么一说,貌似武则天是第一代(?)成功cosmo girl转变成功政治家
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Post by sinca » 2009-06-03 9:53

tiffany wrote:我挠挠头说,想不太出来..... 除了有很多血腥暴力的电影可以看,小酒可以喝喝.....
咦,白博也喜欢看血腥暴力的电影,快请推荐推荐!

叹口气,唉,可惜<Rome>不接着演了。
那薄如蝉翼的未来,经不起谁来拆。

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Post by Knowing » 2009-06-08 10:55

我觉得你一定爱看TRUE BLOOD,第一季DVD已经出了,充斥着血腥,暴力,色情,谋杀等群众喜闻乐见的低级刺激。
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