BC新剧:Parade's End

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BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-15 0:54

BBC与HBO将推出一战背景新剧Parade's End,BC主演。不过外貌党的同学可能会小小失望,据说男主角是个木讷的公务员,化妆师需要把BC往丰满一路塑造。。。

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He plays an emotionally repressed, highly intelligent gentleman with a complicated line in female relationships. But Benedict Cumberbatch is swapping modern-day sleuthing to play "the last Tory" Christopher Tietjens in a new adaptation of Parade's End by Tom Stoppard.

BBC2's five-part drama based on Ford Madox Ford's tetralogy, set in 1914, marks Stoppard's return to television, with his first project for the corporation in decades.

Stoppard, although familiar with Ford's earlier novel The Good Soldier, only started reading the quartet of books after it was suggested he might adapt them. The writer, who watches television "sporadically", said he realised "damn quickly I really wanted the job".

But it was not without challenges. "The structure of the books is not linear, nor does it fall into five equal parts, it's a modernist novel with a thought towards experimentalism, and most of all, as with many adaptations, you have the problem that there's a lot of interesting stuff going on in the novel, without necessarily having the dramatic momentum or even the physical concrete dimension to it," he said at a screening of the drama.

Stoppard's involvement, and that of Bafta award-winning director Susanna White, has helped attract a cast that includes Rufus Sewell, Rupert Everett, Stephen Graham and Rebecca Hall – who plays Tietjens's socialite wife Sylvia.

Cumberbatch – much in demand in the UK and US following his role as Sherlock in the BBC1 drama – was one of only "a tiny handful" of actors who could have played Tietjens, a highly principled, brilliant government statistician, said White.

But, with Parade's End cast before Sherlock hit screens, the director and Stoppard first had to convince American broadcaster HBO, which has produced the drama with the BBC.

"HBO said 'Who is this Benedict?' and we said: 'Trust us, he's truly a great actor and by the time Parade's End comes out everyone will have heard of him," said White. "Of course now, everybody in America has heard of him and he's playing the villain in Star Trek."

Parade's End, due to broadcast later this summer, transports audiences to the end of the Edwardian era and the time of the Great War, as also have BBC1's recent adaptation of Sebastian Faulks' Birdsong, and the hugely popular second series of Downton Abbey.

"Everything changed afterwards," said Stoppard, explaining the period's importance. "It was the last period of social history among the top half of the English class system. People of a later generation might say that of 1939 – but in the case of 1914 there really is a sense of an important page being turned, never to be turned back again."

There is also a certain resonance between Tietjen's moral view of the world – central to the plot is the relationship between Tietjen and his wife, and the young suffragette Valentine Wannop – and the questions currently preoccupying society, said White.

"People are asking a lot of moral questions about how we behave as a society. About our values, the environment, money and how politicians behave … it might not be immediately obvious what an old-fashioned Tory has to say to us now, but actually I think there's a lot that chimes."

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by tiffany » 2012-08-15 8:09

就是说他需要长胖点儿? :mrgreen:
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-15 8:43

垫脸颊,还要穿fat suit。然后把头发染成金色,据说就是照Boris Johnson的样子描一描,但又不能弄得太丑以免把观众吓跑了 :mrgreen:

官方片花:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0s2bTrceCc

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by lavender » 2012-08-15 9:36

这个妆确实是既没美貌又没气质。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-15 10:14

highly principled, brilliant government statistician, Oh well
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-15 10:17

花痴上来说,我们喜欢他不就是因为他演啥象啥吗?这么二缺都不能阻止我们当黑粉,胖点儿怕什么。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-15 10:19

是,我没见过比他更容易化妆成丑人的演员,在所有不丑的演员里。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-15 10:33

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简直是另外一个人。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by tiffany » 2012-08-15 12:13

这是要演jackle and hyde么?
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-15 14:36

这就是Parade's End里的造型啊。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-25 3:01

昨晚放了第一集。不熟悉小说的人会觉得前二十分钟头绪太乱,编剧刻意将原著的意识流体发扬光大,时间空间一律非线性。一大堆人物接踵登场,观众忙着梳理人物关系,联系时代背景,琢磨每句好象都有深意的台词,眼睛忙着欣赏精美的布景服装。。。根本没有分心的机会,很有被挑战的感觉。然后节奏稍微放缓,几个主要人物的复杂性格得以展现,Tietjens与女权运动支持者Valentine的夜行拍得极美而富有诗意。

BC演的Tietjens并不是事先想象中的老木头,他非常聪明,有丰富的感情却习惯于压抑,固执地遵守周围世界已经丢弃的道德规范,在公众与个人生活中遭受挫折是可以预见的。唉,如果编导肯背离原著精神让Tietjens以BC的面目出现,而不是让他超重,穿着难看臃肿的衣服,该有多少女性为之动心吶 :mrgreen:

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(今天上网查了才知道Rupert Everett演的人物与男主角Tietjens是什么关系,昨晚根本没看明白)

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-25 12:31

http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/84290175-2549228714.html

BC的采访,我现在又想看残奥会又想看parade ' s end!

刚开始看采访的时候我想唉呀他这个新发型显得更马脸了而且残了很多。神奇的是看着他说话说话到一半已经又觉得他好迷人好帅气了。这到底是怎么回事?
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-26 3:00

说明他的魅力超越了外貌的局限 :mrgreen:

第一集结束后加放了幕后片The World of Parade's End,有BC的大段人物分析。和小K一样的观感, 看BC表演、讲话很容易被吸引,我甚至注意到了以前忽略过的淡灰色眼睛。Tietjens与Sylvia在火车上初遇,笑起来太迷人了,虽然面孔被妆化得肿肿的。

The World of Parade's End
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh4IvN_m65g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ3Ht3BwQ3c

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-26 9:56

机舱压力的douglas出现了!还是可怜的martin 的官僚主义长官。 :mrgreen:
发现了雷锋!
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Jun » 2012-08-26 12:13

Rupert Everett 的样子完全认不出了。

其实我觉得 Sylvia 挺有趣的,很适合毛姆的小说。我个人觉得作者对她的解读不怎么可靠,太接近 male fantasy 了。Maugham would have so much fun with someone like Tietjens. The script is funny, but I suspect it could be even funnier.
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-26 12:51

对我马上想起面纱的女主。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Jun » 2012-08-26 13:01

I can't help but feel it was a mistake to cast Cumberbatch in this role. Isn't he supposed to be charmless and dull and ugly? There are plenty of middle-aged ugly English actors to fit the bill.
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-26 14:07

不比新版简爱的罗切斯特先生更糟。
他那个fat suit 也忒假,还假装扣不上底下几个纽扣。不过我还是看的很陶醉。他真是。。。好迷人哪。。。 :love007: 我觉得我又重新迷上他了。
rupert everett 真是完完全全的残了 :shock: 默哀一下当年的大帅哥。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-26 14:35

Jun wrote:I can't help but feel it was a mistake to cast Cumberbatch in this role. Isn't he supposed to be charmless and dull and ugly? There are plenty of middle-aged ugly English actors to fit the bill.
除非把Alan Rickman变年轻30-40岁。HBO连BC都不能接受,charmless and dull and ugly and 又会演戏的上哪儿找去?并且Tietjens在书里不过三十岁左右,算不上中年。

Sylvia这个人物比The Painted Veil里随便找个丈夫当出路的女性复杂得多,魅力、扭曲、恶意与毁灭性都远远超出。这还是撇开Ford Madox Ford给每个人物都赋予的的额外寓意:The end of moral and dignified England这出悲喜剧里的角色。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-26 14:43

Knowing wrote:机舱压力的douglas出现了!还是可怜的martin 的官僚主义长官。 :mrgreen:
发现了雷锋!
Douglas原来是Roger Allam即General Campion!可是第一集里这么多事儿事儿的官僚,我这才看了原著的前三章,还没彻底搞清楚谁是谁 :headscratch:

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-26 14:48

Even just from the first episode I sympathize Sylvia . During the breakfast scene His silence was almost cold Violence, even though he might not have meant to be cruel, I just could not consider him kind towards her. Of cause they were both miserable in that situation, only she took out on others and he dealt with it silently.
She was intelligent in her own way...high EQ instead of IQ or knowledgable. But she did not channel it to the right direction. other reason women should get a job. Way too much pressure if they sit at home and focus on the husband all day.
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Jun » 2012-08-26 14:50

应该会有很多长相普通但是演技不错的英国演员,不过美国大老板(脑补嘴里叼着大雪茄,大腹便便的资本家老板形象)一定不肯投资就是了。

维多利亚英国时代的道德规则就是套住够迂的人,够狠够硬者则可不择手段予取予求 --- 而且成为社会精英,Dickens 和 Trollope 都描写过了,何曾有过真正的正直高尚的时代?洗脑造出一大批信仰高尚公正自我约束的老好人,客观上更加方便了 psychopaths 们横行霸道占尽好处。

毛姆看着这一对 convenience 夫妻一定会得儿意地冷笑出来。 :mrgreen:

Tom Stoppard 搞冷笑话真是逗死人。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-26 14:54

嗯,从现代的角度看,Tietjens是个让人抓狂的丈夫,一味高尚地忍让,自以为仁至义尽,其实根本不懂女人。这两个人禁锢在婚姻里是个大悲剧,可是囿于Tietjens的理想主义,既不能撕破脸又不能离婚,只能加倍互相折磨。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Jun » 2012-08-26 14:58

在英国离个婚大概麻烦得要死,虽然信新教的比信天主教的方便一些。

一开头我倒是理解成 Tietjens 对 Sylvia 极其迷恋,但是后来又跟 Valentine 好上了,那其实倒简单了,上流社会本来就有很多这种貌合神离的纸上夫妻,平时各自该干什么干什么,正式场合一起露个面给人看。不仅英国,美国的蓝血上流社会里也到处都是这种。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-26 15:06

早期离婚需要有婚外情之类的证据,为了“保全”女方的体面,无论对错在谁,一般由男方安排出轨证据,临时雇佣“情人”和将来可以出庭作证的“侦探”,去南方的海滨城市旅馆一个周末,以取得“证据”,当时有一整个产业链呢。Evelyn Waugh的A Handful of Dust里有很嘲讽的描述。据我最近读到的历史小说Gone with the Windors里,Wallis Simpson离婚采用的也是这一套。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Jun » 2012-08-26 15:34

面子的重要性高到了一定程度变得奇怪起来。第一集临结尾处,马车和汽车相撞,后来 Valentine 问 Christopher 为什么在路上跟 the general 大声争吵,原来是怕 general 的姐妹看见了他俩孤男寡女在一起传出去,所以先制造个理由替谣言解释。这段真让我觉得又好笑又可怜,如此被礼教毒害的老派人必会被别人 take advantage of,简直是一定的。他难道没有意识到自己和老婆是生活在两个世界里么?为什么没考虑过太太违反了一切人生准则却过得滋滋润润的?这说明什么问题?
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-08-26 15:59

照他这副精密的头脑很可能是想过的,但固执地不肯随波逐流。你看他对好友向上爬的招数一清二楚,也能理解,但自己不屑于照做。这还真矛盾,我们尊敬在工作上坚持原则的人,却希望生活里他们能多为自己考虑些。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-26 18:10

人家根本不想往上爬,class 社会的精粹就是每个人都有自己的位置应该一成不变,social climbing 最可耻了!人家就打算花着祖产高尚隐忍的渡过一生,为的是临死前良心洁白无瑕。 :mrgreen:
离婚产业链真逗。
那个纪录片反复提到格兰姆格林深受此书影响,我马又想起end of affair 里的Sarah 和她丈夫情人的奇怪关系了。Sarah 也是那种看上去完全不受道德约束的人,对丈夫很坏却很爱情人决不肯离开丈夫。情人的角度看来很奇怪。也许实际上她很爱丈夫,用独特的方式,而情人对此完全睁眼瞎。Sylvia 那可怜巴巴的情人就是这样。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by putaopi » 2012-08-27 17:59

前几天看了"楼上楼下"的第二季, 里面有位Lady也是爱情人爱丈夫,理直气壮地打算把蕾丝边儿情人安置在大宅子附近的林中小屋,在保持家庭生活的同时经常幽会。其实old world包括欧洲英国甚至中国的道德观本来如此,出轨不见得意味着不爱前头人。美国人清教徒的纯洁内心受不了这个。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-28 11:01

这个电视太文艺了,家庭主妇中年大妈抱怨说。我很多时候都有看没有懂。如果不是对着BC发花痴,我是看不下去的。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-28 13:01

是啊,所以他们要找BC演这个应该是“嘴里叼着大雪茄,大腹便便的约克地主”嘛,就是为了让全世界中年妇女有点精神寄托。 :mrgreen:
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-28 16:08

这个剧看来不只是我看不懂,基本上只有很少人能看懂啊。影评很差。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by lucoco » 2012-08-28 18:34

Knowing wrote:是啊,所以他们要找BC演这个应该是“嘴里叼着大雪茄,大腹便便的约克地主”嘛,就是为了让全世界中年妇女有点精神寄托。 :mrgreen:
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-29 15:51

真的,不骗你,我在看原著,一开头就说他是个大胖子,皮肤苍白,很不整洁的约克郡年轻土地主。说话听上去还很木纳。哦,基本应该是朝鲜新领袖的样子。 :mrgreen: 靠如果我是个原著的死忠粉丝一定已经在破口大骂了。不过我是BC 粉丝所以。。。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-29 15:59

Knowing wrote:真的,不骗你,我在看原著,一开头就说他是个大胖子,皮肤苍白,很不整洁的约克郡年轻土地主。说话听上去还很木纳。哦,基本应该是朝鲜新领袖的样子。 :mrgreen: 靠如果我是个原著的死忠粉丝一定已经在破口大骂了。不过我是BC 粉丝所以。。。
要真找这么个人演谁还看啊? :action077:

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Jun » 2012-08-29 17:46

有肚腩,我要看! :mrgreen:
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2012-08-29 19:20

反正现在没有肚腩你也看了。 :mrgreen:
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by lucoco » 2012-08-30 16:00

Knowing wrote:真的,不骗你,我在看原著,一开头就说他是个大胖子,皮肤苍白,很不整洁的约克郡年轻土地主。说话听上去还很木纳。哦,基本应该是朝鲜新领袖的样子。 :mrgreen: 靠如果我是个原著的死忠粉丝一定已经在破口大骂了。不过我是BC 粉丝所以。。。
不,不。你弄错了,我是在佩服你一针见血。
我也在看原著,他老婆可真是恨他恨到骨头里头去了。
一个人的性格决定他的命运。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-30 16:32

有中译本么?我虚弱地问。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-08-31 8:20

你找到告诉我一声。 :mrgreen:
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by tiffany » 2012-08-31 8:46

为啥要看中译本?那些高眉用词一般都lost in translation了。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by dropby » 2012-08-31 9:44

我英文这么差的人,看电视剧的字幕都看得迷迷糊糊的,你要我去看四大本英文原著,还是意识流的,那我还是继续看小白文,光花痴一下BC算了。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-09-01 9:41

出差回家好不容易赶上了第二集。从这集看,Sylvia简直爱她丈夫,大概因为他是唯一不拜倒在她脚下的男人。其实真等丈夫象爱儿子那样爱她,又该天天嚷着无聊了。

读小说比看电视剧吃力,节奏慢,用语古旧。我在Kindle上看了一小半,转而下了有声书听,感觉顺畅多了。Ford Madox Ford的语言有诗歌的韵律,也许象莎士比亚,读出声来更好理解。引经据典多而只点到为止,并不长篇大论地解释,不熟悉希腊、拉丁经典的人很难完全体会,好比外国人读唐诗。

虽然不最好懂,我觉得这部剧的看点很多。Rebecca Hall(Sylvia)又美又会演戏,Macmaster、教士、教士太太之间实在太搞笑了。剧组花费了大量心血于美术设计上,教士太太的服装发型好象Pre-Raphaelite画里的人物,Macmaster家的装饰虽然镜头不多,看着象是arts & crafts风格,墙纸是William Morris的。音乐美,画面美,第二集的最后几分钟更是如诗一般。
putaopi wrote:前几天看了"楼上楼下"的第二季, 里面有位Lady也是爱情人爱丈夫,理直气壮地打算把蕾丝边儿情人安置在大宅子附近的林中小屋,在保持家庭生活的同时经常幽会。其实old world包括欧洲英国甚至中国的道德观本来如此,出轨不见得意味着不爱前头人。美国人清教徒的纯洁内心受不了这个。
Alas,"楼上楼下"不会续拍了,与第一季相比,第二季剧本写得糟糕,老太太又退出了,全剧显得缺少精气神。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-09-02 8:31

看不到。。。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by putaopi » 2012-09-02 19:28

楼上楼下里的外遇情节很狗血,我边看边腹诽。不过也不比唐顿庄园更落俗套啊?蛮喜欢把历史事件和剧情紧扣一起的写法,没有下一季很可惜。
Parade's End看你们讨论得热闹,在wiki上看了小说分章的大纲。开头说Macmaster要成为艺术评论家,写部关于Rosseti的小书,才去拜访教士的。见了教士的太太惊为天人,看不到更多的细节,我就猜这太太可能是做过Rosseti的模特/(情人?). PRB的模特们多是出身贫家,没有受什么教育的女孩子,她后来跟Macmaster一起,她同Tietjens夫妇的关系可能也受她的背景主导。感慨地英国小说里PBR的影子很多啊,A.S.Byatt的小说里就有很多,还有John Fowles的《法国中尉的女人》。

对了,昨天A.S.Byatt在北京做对谈,可惜我有别的事,没有跑去朝拜偶像作家。 :mrgreen:

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by CAVA » 2012-09-03 4:21

我就猜这太太可能是做过Rosseti的模特/(情人?). PRB的模特们多是出身贫家,没有受什么教育的女孩子,她后来跟Macmaster一起,她同Tietjens夫妇的关系可能也受她的背景主导。
你可以参加编剧组了,99%说中!Mrs. Duchemin虽然不是模特,却从小女孩时期就被Mr. Duchemin一眼看中,出钱让她受教育。刚出场时的Mrs. Duchemin优雅美丽,惹人同情,慢慢她的势利与粗俗就显现出来了。如果我没看错的话,Duchemin夫妇之间并没有事实婚姻,更加象影射PRB那拨人,哈哈。本来Ford Madox Ford的外祖父就是PRB的重要成员Ford Madox Brown,熟悉他们的“事迹”。

周末忙着听小说,明白了Tom Stoppard看到第200页的时候惊叹这是部杰作的理由。从第一卷的第二部分起,各种激烈的冲突听得我停不下来,但有时又必须停下来想一想,才明白每个人隐藏的动机和种种前因后果。小说采用了当时先进的意识流手法,可是我很十九世纪地以为,如果能基本按时间顺序来写也无损于它的文学性。

Tietjens与Valentine的爱情,Sylvia对Tietjens的感情,Tietjens的兄弟之情,都写得非常动人。几个主要人物的个性复杂多面,尤其Sylvia Tietjens。电视里提到几次但后来我才反应过来,她是天主教徒,所以根本不可能跟Tietjens离婚。

谈到改编,The Children's Book应该很适合改成影视剧。Possession我读了一小半,感觉一片灰蒙蒙的,没坚持下去 :?

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Knowing » 2012-09-04 12:14

谢谢cava 我看到了第二集,sylvia 对丈夫感情的确复杂,但是说穿了也没那么奇怪,就是一个聪明又迷人又骄傲又frustated的女人,精力受环境束缚没地方发泄,作为一个淑女,收集绅士的仰慕是唯一的事业,玩腻了也没别的可玩,非常bored 非常frustrated, 丈夫是必须收服却收不服贴的人,使她更加frustrated. and the fact they had not had sex for 3 years doesn't help the frustration and rejection she felt either.

Mrs. Duchemin / Macmaster 神经质的恋爱情节好逗,我笑死了。
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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by lucoco » 2012-09-04 13:21

我看到现在,不管是电视剧还是原著,就没弄明白CT 对sylvia到底是怎么样的感情?我记得他对valentie 的妈妈提起了火车上跟sylvia的sex这件事情,难道说他们是因为这个才不得不结婚,就一直没有sex life?
电视剧S1中他对那个孩子简直算是深深的爱了,可在原著里头,我就只听到他每次一想起这个孩子,就在纠结不是他的,不是他的------
一个人的性格决定他的命运。

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Re: BC新剧:Parade's End

Post by Lily L » 2012-09-04 19:59

如果男主角不是BC出演,我一定早就忍不住要拿手指戳他脑门骂他“面瓜”!唉,叹气,谁让他是BC呢?
对,我忍不住偷看了最后的部分,Valentine怀孕了, MARK死了,不知道电视会改成啥样???!

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